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		<title>Trey at 07:09, 22 January 2006</title>
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		<title>Trey at 01:34, 23 May 2005</title>
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Minutes approved: [[Interim Board meeting Minutes/8 November 2004|8 November 2004]]&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This document is a board working paper, and commercial in confidence.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
;Present: Geoff Halprin, Lorette Cheswick, David Parter, Trey Harris&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
;Meeting: 2004-11-01 1900 US/East&lt;br /&gt;
;Opened: 19:00  (Lorette joined 19:30)&lt;br /&gt;
;Closed: 20:38&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;1 REDACTION APPROVED.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==  Consent Agenda ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Meeting minutes (2004-10-18) approved by consent.&lt;br /&gt;
* Meeting minutes (2004-10-25) approved by consent.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==  Action Items ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* See action item list.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==  Unfinished Business ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===  Legal Infrastrucure ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Appleman and Lemond spoke last week.&lt;br /&gt;
:* USENIX POV is that 501c3 is better for USENIX.&lt;br /&gt;
:* It was noted that articles had been drawn up as 501c3.&lt;br /&gt;
:* Lemond says do c3 now (keep USENIX happy); then decide about c6.&lt;br /&gt;
:* &amp;#039;&amp;#039;{7 words redacted; business sensitivity}&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:* &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Decision: Proceed as 501c3. Unanimous.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* Minor changes to bylaws.&lt;br /&gt;
:* Will markup wiki.&lt;br /&gt;
* Sparse comment on membership xfer issues.  &lt;br /&gt;
:* No roadblocks raised.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===  Operations Infrastructure ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* 2/3 through proposals. Uploading to wiki.&lt;br /&gt;
* Trey to send Geoff/board note on how to upload media files. ([[Interim Board Action Points#20041101.01|Action Point #20041101.01]])&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===  Computing Infrastructure ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Nothing to report.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Geoff to bounce discussion with Perl Training Aust (Mel) to David. ([[Interim Board Action Points#20041101.02|Action Point #20041101.02]])&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===  Yerkes award ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Nothing to report.&lt;br /&gt;
* Need candidates identified ASAP.&lt;br /&gt;
* All board members willing to review nominations.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===  Outstanding Achievement Award ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Rob and team was meeting today.&lt;br /&gt;
* No report yet.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===  LISA Planning ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Covered meetings under action points.&lt;br /&gt;
* Atanta arrival schedule:&lt;br /&gt;
:* David: Sat/Sun&lt;br /&gt;
:* Trey: Sun&lt;br /&gt;
:* Geoff: Sat&lt;br /&gt;
:* Lorette: (Hawaii)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Meeting:  Monday 10am East (Geoff&amp;#039;s suite)&lt;br /&gt;
* Teleconf: Monday  6pm East (with Lorette)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===  Memo to members ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Sent. Currently blockeed in approval queue.&lt;br /&gt;
:* Just cleared by Rob.&lt;br /&gt;
:* Now arrived on list.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==  New Business ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===  Unannounced business ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==  Election Policy Decisions Discussion ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Electronic voting (side note)&lt;br /&gt;
:* In NJ, statutes about voting have never changed.&lt;br /&gt;
::* Electronic votings are ok.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:* At large versus officers&lt;br /&gt;
::* Trey:&lt;br /&gt;
:::* At large. (Continue sage method).&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Key issue: Conservation of talent.&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Better to choose leader rather than imposed.&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Primary importance: get the talent where its needed.&lt;br /&gt;
::* David:&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Agree on talent issue.&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Don&amp;#039;t like board choosing. Awkward, potentially devisive.&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Get bad choice anyway (least offensive to board?)&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Nomcom takes ego out of equation a little.&lt;br /&gt;
:::* First meeting can divide the board.&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Nomcom should nominate entire slate.&lt;br /&gt;
::* Lorette:&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Have seen officers selected by nomcomm subset of board. Voted by board.&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Lemond suggested at-large, with officers from there.&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Make nomcom standing committee. Issue guidelines.&lt;br /&gt;
:::* For at-large board.&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Need induction training for board members.&lt;br /&gt;
::::* Will send existing induction materials. ([[Interim Board Action Points#20041101.03|Action Point #20041101.03]])&lt;br /&gt;
::* Geoff:&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Officers runoff to general?&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Staggering just confuses things. Breaks flow.&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Nomcomm should be standing committee.&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Prefer at-large.&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Need induction training for board members.&lt;br /&gt;
::* &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Vote: Elections for directors at-large. Unanimous.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
::* &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Vote: Standing leadership committee/nomcom. Unanimous.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:::* breeding talent within subcommittees.&lt;br /&gt;
:::* maintaining induction kit, board training issues.&lt;br /&gt;
:::* nomcom (candidate slate) as x-annual duty.&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Lorette: mandate may be too broad.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:* Electoral threshold (plurality, etc.)&lt;br /&gt;
::* Trey:&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Proportional voting (ranked order of candidates).&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Last two SAGE elections, only top two candidates reached plurity benchmark.&lt;br /&gt;
::* David:&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Intrigued, but no experience.&lt;br /&gt;
:::* People don&amp;#039;t really run on platforms. Popularity contest.&lt;br /&gt;
::* Lorette:&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Not enough experience.&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Don&amp;#039;t like plurality.&lt;br /&gt;
::* Geoff:&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Like proportional. (Best represents what most members want.)&lt;br /&gt;
::* &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Voting method.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Proportional: Trey, Lorette, Geoff.&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Plurality: David.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
::* &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Staggered elections.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Don&amp;#039;t stagger: Trey, David, Geoff.&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Stagger: Lorette.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
::* To be decided at next meeting:&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Term limits.&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Bylaw amendments.&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Size of membership quorum: 1/10 or 1/20.&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Size of board quorum.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
;Meeting closed: 20:38&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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