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		<title>Trey at 01:36, 23 May 2005</title>
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Minutes approved: [[Interim Board meeting Minutes/20 December 2004|20 December 2004]]&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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This document is a board working paper, and commercial in confidence.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
;Present: Geoff Halprin, David Parter, Trey Harris&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
;Meeting: 2004-12-06 1900 US/East&lt;br /&gt;
;Opened: 19:00&lt;br /&gt;
;Closed: 20:45&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==  Consent Agenda ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Meeting minutes (2004-11-08) approved by consent.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==  Action Items ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* See action item list.&lt;br /&gt;
* Time for new memo to members&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==  Outstanding Business ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===  Legal Infrastructure ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Notes per email during LISA.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Signatures to fax number&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Need to re-file with new name:&lt;br /&gt;
:* Geoff&lt;br /&gt;
::* Don&amp;#039;t want to use &amp;quot;SAGE&amp;quot; in name; it&amp;#039;s encumbered.&lt;br /&gt;
:* Trey&lt;br /&gt;
::* &amp;quot;Professional Association of System Administrators&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
::* &amp;quot;Professional vs professionalism.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:* David&lt;br /&gt;
::* &amp;quot;System Administrators Professional Association&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
::* Not something that causes problems (c6 vs. c3)&lt;br /&gt;
::* Ask lawyer; is &amp;quot;SAGE&amp;quot; better or worse.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Successor to USENIX interest. Does this make things easier.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Need to file copies of paperwork with USENIX.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Geoff to write contract.&lt;br /&gt;
:* David: Would AMC want input into contract?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===  Operations Infrastructure ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Geoff must complete 1st round and write-up.&lt;br /&gt;
:* DUE BY END OF WEEK.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Need better idea of how soon we can engage.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===  Computing Infrastructure ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Catch-22: do we use AMC systems or vice-versa?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==  Election Policy Decisions Discussion ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* To be decided:&lt;br /&gt;
:* Size of membership quorum: 1/10 or 1/20.&lt;br /&gt;
:* Bylaw amendments.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Issues:&lt;br /&gt;
:* minimum count to put issue to membership.&lt;br /&gt;
:* minimum count to effect change (normal business).&lt;br /&gt;
:* minimum count to effect change (bylaw changes).&lt;br /&gt;
:* ratification of bylaws changes or not.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Membership Quorum: Regular business&lt;br /&gt;
:* Geoff&lt;br /&gt;
::* Options:&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Proportion: 1/20&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Mix: proportion/minimum&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Rolling average: 2/3 ave of last three normal elections.&lt;br /&gt;
:* Trey:&lt;br /&gt;
::* Proportion: 1/8.&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Bootstrap: 2/3 ave last Exec election as bootstrap number.&lt;br /&gt;
:* David:&lt;br /&gt;
::* Rolling average: 2/3 ave of last three normal elections.&lt;br /&gt;
::* Bootstrap: We don&amp;#039;t know how many members we&amp;#039;ll lose in transition.&lt;br /&gt;
:::* Use fraction: 1/10 until 3 elections.&lt;br /&gt;
:* Geoff:&lt;br /&gt;
::* 3 elections rolling ave.&lt;br /&gt;
::* bootstrap of 1/10.&lt;br /&gt;
:* &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Motion: Passed. Unanimously.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
::* &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;3 elections rolling ave.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
::* &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Bootstrap of 1/10 membership.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Membership Quorum: Bylaw amendments.&lt;br /&gt;
:* David: bylaw changes require a higher proportion. (make it harder)&lt;br /&gt;
:* Quorum for bylaw changes:&lt;br /&gt;
::* need large pool, but simple majority.&lt;br /&gt;
::* David: threshold should be higher; if board didn&amp;#039;t approve the change (short-circuit option).&lt;br /&gt;
::* 2/3 rolling ave, minimum 1/3 membership.&lt;br /&gt;
::* Motion: Passed. Unanimously.&lt;br /&gt;
:::* 2/3 rolling ave, minimum 1/3 membership.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Signature mimimum to call SGM, petition business.&lt;br /&gt;
:* 75 minimum.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Board bylaw amendments&lt;br /&gt;
:* All bylaw amendments must be ratified by vote at the next regular board meeting.&lt;br /&gt;
::* Call for ratification (with motion) must be in published agenda for 2nd meeting.&lt;br /&gt;
::* Public notice published to membership (no later than same time as meeting agenda.)&lt;br /&gt;
::* Proxy allowed (exact wording known) for board member who cannot attend second meeting.&lt;br /&gt;
:* Minimum notice period for board meetings of 1 week.&lt;br /&gt;
:* Minimum notice for (bylaw change) agenda item. Advisable, but not necessary.&lt;br /&gt;
:* Motion (repeat vote) Can&amp;#039;t straddle two boards.&lt;br /&gt;
:* Simple majority of regular board quorum.&lt;br /&gt;
:* &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Passed. Unanimously.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Membership ratification of bylaw amendments.&lt;br /&gt;
:* Already have facility to petition.&lt;br /&gt;
:* (Default is for amendment to apply.)&lt;br /&gt;
:* Board must not be able to reverse decision of the membership. (limit this clause - next election).&lt;br /&gt;
:* &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Passed. Unanimously.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
;Meeting closed: 20:44&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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